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	<description>An "interested," not "authoritative," exploration of textiles</description>
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		<title>Comment on Jeff Krauss and John Howe On Blue in Rugs and Other Textiles, Part 2, Pieces You Could Get Your Hands On by Jeff Krauss and John Howe on Blue in Rugs and Other Textiles, Part 1, the Lecture &#171; R. John Howe: Textiles and Text</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Krauss and John Howe on Blue in Rugs and Other Textiles, Part 1, the Lecture &#171; R. John Howe: Textiles and Text</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] R. John Howe: Textiles and Text An &#8220;interested,&#8221; not &#8220;authoritative,&#8221; exploration of textiles    &#171; Jeff Krauss and John Howe On Blue in Rugs and Other Textiles, Part 2, Pieces You Could Get Your Hand... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] R. John Howe: Textiles and Text An &#8220;interested,&#8221; not &#8220;authoritative,&#8221; exploration of textiles    &laquo; Jeff Krauss and John Howe On Blue in Rugs and Other Textiles, Part 2, Pieces You Could Get Your Hand&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on In a dining room in Boston&#8230; by rjohn</title>
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		<description>I sent the post above to a number of folks in the rug world.

One of them, Dennis Dodds, the Philadelphia, collector, and student of textiles who is the current president of The International Conference on Oriental Carpet sent me the comment below, identifying some similar rugs, and which I quote with his permission.  (I may eventually modify this post to add images of some of the similar pieces to which Dennis refers.)

"The Wales-Grogan garden carpet can be compared to two in the Turk ve Islam Muzesi Eserleri in Istanbul and as you know both are published in the newly released TIEM Carpet Catalogue published for the 11th ICOC in Istanbul: "WEAVING HERITAGE OF ANATOLIA", p. 128, pl. 106 and p. 129, pl.107.  Another is in the McMullen Collection in NYC: ISLAMIC CARPETS, pp. 122-123 (fold-out plate 29). All three examples show a traditional blossoming tree/shrub motif in each of four medallions which appear at the intersections of water courses. A fourth 'flowering shrub' example from Berlin, is in HALI 128, May-June 2003,p. 88. That image accompanies a useful article by Emma Clark on the subject of Islamic gardens. The contents of the three medallions in the Wales-Grogan carpet differ with a central blossom radiating highly stylized serrated leaves and buds. This design has an interesting comparison to the McLaren Collection garden carpet, England; see Erdmann, 1976, fig. 123, which they date c. 1700. For another garden carpet, see ex-Kevorkian Foundation, New York, Bode/Kuhnel, 1970, p.144. fig. 105."

My thanks to Dennis for this knowledgeable comment.

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<p>One of them, Dennis Dodds, the Philadelphia, collector, and student of textiles who is the current president of The International Conference on Oriental Carpet sent me the comment below, identifying some similar rugs, and which I quote with his permission.  (I may eventually modify this post to add images of some of the similar pieces to which Dennis refers.)</p>
<p>&#8220;The Wales-Grogan garden carpet can be compared to two in the Turk ve Islam Muzesi Eserleri in Istanbul and as you know both are published in the newly released TIEM Carpet Catalogue published for the 11th ICOC in Istanbul: &#8220;WEAVING HERITAGE OF ANATOLIA&#8221;, p. 128, pl. 106 and p. 129, pl.107.  Another is in the McMullen Collection in NYC: ISLAMIC CARPETS, pp. 122-123 (fold-out plate 29). All three examples show a traditional blossoming tree/shrub motif in each of four medallions which appear at the intersections of water courses. A fourth &#8216;flowering shrub&#8217; example from Berlin, is in HALI 128, May-June 2003,p. 88. That image accompanies a useful article by Emma Clark on the subject of Islamic gardens. The contents of the three medallions in the Wales-Grogan carpet differ with a central blossom radiating highly stylized serrated leaves and buds. This design has an interesting comparison to the McLaren Collection garden carpet, England; see Erdmann, 1976, fig. 123, which they date c. 1700. For another garden carpet, see ex-Kevorkian Foundation, New York, Bode/Kuhnel, 1970, p.144. fig. 105.&#8221;</p>
<p>My thanks to Dennis for this knowledgeable comment.</p>
<p>R. John Howe</p>
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